R: R: contestazione su dotcom.it

Cerutti Stefano scerutti a TIN.IT
Mer 11 Ott 2000 09:35:56 CEST


Egreg. Sig.  Nosenzo
premesso che i problemi di pagare l'affitto a fine mese sono evidentemente
un Suo grosso problema (visto che Le sta così a cuore ... stinga i denti e
con un pò di foruna che ce La fai), mi pare di poter dire che l'aulico
"stile" del Suo post sia contrario a quello stile di Netiquette che tanto
pretende dagli altri ma che per primo non mette in pratica.
Mi ero permesso solo di indicare al Sig. Greco quale fosse lo stato della
giurisprudenza in materia indicando ove reperire alcune recenti sentenza in
materia.
Ma se Lei ritiene che sia possibile raggiungere un accordo "amichevole" con
società straniere che registrano domini al solo e dichiarato scopo di
venderli ( a meno che tu per  amichevoli non intenda equa la somma di 15
milioni anziché dei richiesti 30) ovvero se ritiene che nel caso specifico
tale società accetterebbe di sottoportsi ad arbitrato in un paese straniero,
allora forse ho risposto con troppo impulso e chiedo scusa a tutti i
partecipanti di ITA-PE.
Avv. Cerutti Stefano

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: Alessandro Nosenzo <nosenzo a idea.it>
A: Cerutti Stefano <scerutti a TIN.IT>; Ivano Greco
<i.greco a dotcom.simpres.it>; ITA-PE a NA.nic.it <ITA-PE a NA.nic.it>
Data: martedì 10 ottobre 2000 18.20
Oggetto: Re: R: contestazione su dotcom.it


>At 16.23 10/10/00 +0200, Cerutti Stefano wrote:
>>Egreg. Sig. Greco
>>La Sua azienda è stata vittima del c.d. "domain grabbing" ossia di
>>quell'illecità attività consistente nella registrazione di nomi di dominio
>>corrispondenti a marchi, registrati o di fatto, altrui.
>>allo stato attuale, verificato il preuso del marchio dotcom da parte della
>>Sua azienda, l'eventuale registrazione del corrispondente marchio nonché
>>l'effettiva registrazione del nome di dominio contestato presso la RA
>>Italiana, la prevalente giurisprudenza in materia è concorde nel ritenere
>>illecita la registrazione di nomi di dominio corrispondenti a marchi
altrui
>>e, quindi, riconosce il buon diritto della Sua azienda di vedersi
assegnato,
>>previo provvedimento giurisdizionale, il nome di dominio dotcom.it.
>>Per breve giurisprudenza sul punto si colleghi al sito
>>www.avvocatocerutit.it
>
>Ehi un momento ITA-PE non e' una vetrina su cui fare pubblicita'. Inoltre
>mi risultava che agli avvocati fosse vietato fare pubblicita', forse i
>tempi stanno cambiando ed anche le professioni ma certo la Netiquette
>continua a vietare simili comportamenti.
>Inoltre non spetta a noi giudicare se di domain grabbing si sia trattato:
>ci sono appositi strumenti MAP oppure la Magistratura.
>Infine i dominii da 15.8.2000 sono cedibili quindi si puo' tentare un
>accordo amichevole prima di spendere soldi in una costosa MAP o peggio in
>una causa civile che e' vero aiuterebbe due avvocati a pagare l'affitto
>dello studio ma non necessariamente risolverebbe il problema segnalato :))
>Saluti.
>
>Alessandro Nosenzo
>any
>>    other way.
>>
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>>
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>>Polaris S.r.l. (POLARISENGINEERING2-DOM)
>>       2, via Massimo D'Azeglio
>>       MONZA, (MI) I-20052
>>       IT
>>
>>    Domain Name: POLARISENGINEERING.COM
>>
>>    Administrative Contact:
>>       Masetto, Gianclaudio (GM13875) polaris a POLARISENGINEERING.COM
>>       +39039327783
>>    Technical Contact:
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>>       +39 0392496155
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>>    NS2.IDEA.IT                  194.235.36.2
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>>˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙˙>
>> > From armellin a armellin.com  Tue Oct 10 11:26:06 2000
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>> > Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 17:26:03 +0200
>> > From: Gianmarco Armellin <armellin-mnt a armellin.com>
>> > To: hostmaster a networksolutions.com
>> > Subject: [NIC-001010.4748] Re: MODIFY DOMAIN POLARISENGINEERING.com
>> > Message-ID: <20001010172602.A7273 a armellin.team2it.com>
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>> hostmaster a networksolutions.com on Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 09:15:35AM -0400
>> > X-Operating-System: BSD/OS armellin.team2it.com 4.1 BSDI BSD/OS 4.1
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>> > Sender: armellin a armellin.com
>> > X-MTS-Ticket: 001010.4748
>> > X-MTS-Type: Domain
>> > X-MTS-Mode: Modify
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>> > X-MTS-Status: Open
>> > X-MTS-Timestamp: 001010112606
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 10, 2000 at 09:15:35AM -0400,
>> hostmaster a networksolutions.com wrote:
>> > > ----------------------------------------------------
>> > > This is the Domain Name Registration Agreement you
>> > > recently created.
>> > > In order to complete this modification,
>> > >
>> > > YOU MUST E-MAIL THIS FORM TO: hostmaster a networksolutions.com
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>> > >
>> > > ********* Email completed agreement to
>> hostmaster a networksolutions.com *********
>> > >
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service(s)
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>> > > Authorization
>> > > 0a. (N)ew (M)odify (D)elete.........: M
>> > > 0b. Auth Scheme.....................: MAIL-FROM
>> > > 0c. Auth Info.......................:
>> > >
>> > > 1.  Comments........................:
>> > >
>> > > 2.  Complete Domain Name............: POLARISENGINEERING.com
>> > >
>> > > Organization Using Domain Name
>> > > 3a. Organization Name................: Polaris S.r.l.
>> > > 3b. Street Address..................: 2, via Massimo D'Azeglio
>> > > 3c. City............................: MONZA
>> > > 3d. State...........................: (MI)
>> > > 3e. Postal Code.....................: I-20052
>> > > 3f. Country.........................: IT
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>> > > Administrative Contact
>> > > 4a. NIC Handle (if known)...........:
>> > > 4b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............:  Individual
>> > > 4c. Name (Last, First)..............: Masetto Mario
>> > > 4d. Organization Name...............: Polaris s.r.l.
>> > > 4e. Street Address..................: Via D'Azeglio  2
>> > > 4f. City............................: monza
>> > > 4g. State...........................: MI
>> > > 4h. Postal Code.....................: 20052
>> > > 4i. Country.........................:
>> > > 4j. Phone Number....................: 039 327783
>> > > 4k. Fax Number......................: 039 2311487
>> > > 4l. E-Mailbox.......................: polaris a idea.it
>> > >
>> > > Technical Contact
>> > > 5a. NIC Handle (if known)...........: CM10691
>> > > 5b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............:  Individual
>> > > 5c. Name(Last, First)...............:
>> > > 5d. Organization Name...............:
>> > > 5e. Street Address..................:
>> > > 5f. City............................:
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>> > > 5k. Fax Number......................:
>> > > 5l. E-Mailbox.......................:
>> > >
>> > > Billing Contact
>> > > 6a. NIC Handle (if known)...........:
>> > > 6b. (I)ndividual (R)ole?............:  Individual
>> > > 6c. Name (Last, First)..............: Masetto Mario
>> > > 6d. Organization Name...............: Polaris s.r.l.
>> > > 6e. Street Address..................: Via D'Azeglio  2
>> > > 6f. City............................: monza
>> > > 6g. State...........................: MI
>> > > 6h. Postal Code.....................: 20052
>> > > 6i. Country.........................:
>> > > 6j. Phone Number....................: 039 327783
>> > > 6k. Fax Number......................: 039 2311487
>> > > 6l. E-Mailbox.......................: polaris a idea.it
>> > >
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>> > gianmarco a armellin.com



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